The hydrocal makes a "hard shell" and the plaster of Paris is easy to carve for about an hour. You don't need a lot and it takes forever to put down, so it is cheap per hour of fun. But all three DEFINITELY have their uses. I am considering crafting my own formicarium. Hydrocal White ™ is a statuary plaster … I have some really nice molds which give great results with Hydrocal. Plaster of Paris vs. Hydrocal White ™ Plaster of Paris is a cheap plaster. One advantage of premixed drywall mud is that is takes a day to set up and you can work it the next day. I am really looking to spend less. I don't know why.. Another advantage is that is can be cleaned up in the sink. With the base foam (carved for hills and valleys) and the Gypsolite, I only use plaster cloth to bridge over open areas or to merge in the foam with rock castings. Now all I do is, just paint a  1/4 thickness of plaster.. lay in a cloth strip and done. So plaster is a category that contains Hydrocal, Plaster of Paris, etc... Back to top #3 Offline drtrmiller - Posted June 7 2017 - 4:16 PM. Plaster of Paris (Hilton?) You see the way the spoon is? Plaster of Paris is just that, a plaster. I have tried both. 4.5 out of 5 stars 701. - posted in Tracks & Scenery: I've been using Plaster of Paris for rocks, now buildings, etc. P.S.-  ...although I do like the idea of anything that will add strength to my hardshell. I stopped using much plaster cloth after I discovered foam scenery. I use less plaster.. pour a thinner mold.. and is light.. but strong. “SuperX” hydrostone is mixed 22 parts water to 100 parts powder. I have already commited about $2500 on wood for this train set, 2 loomotives, some cars, construction insulating foam, paints, paint brushes track, power supplies heheh...why am I telling you all this, you all know how it works...   well my wad of cash is gone so im now ready to do things the cheapest way. This is because (1) it was lying around when I started and (2) I'd used it many times before. Plaster of Paris is one of three types of plaster. This gave very nice results, too. It's heavier than Hydrocal but I have no complaints. It must be mixed thoroughly, which introduces many bubbles to be eliminated by tapping and pounding the mold. Vendor. I picked up my Dental Plaster off of ebay. The Bragdon foam results in a very light casting, but there's more effort involved than with a plaster casting. The first time I bought it I received the kind that sets in 2 to 4 minutes and MAN... let me tell you.. you'll learn to work very fast with that stuff. Tim...Modeling the NYC...is there any other? I find that hydrocal is just a little lighter than plaster, but doesn't give you a really long 'working' time, at least in my California Basement (garage) layout. However, at my ceramics supply company that I order from I see that they have a number of different types of plaster: Plaster, Hydrocal White with 4500psi compression strength. But in answer to your question.. manage your account online and more! But it is awfully good for rock castings. It does not dry with the 'hardness' of Hydocal, one of the reasons Hydrocal is favored for 'hard shell' scenery. Here is the formula, 1/3 plaster of Paris, 1/3 Hydrocal and 1/3 silica sand, all of these by volume. Plaster of Paris is easier to work with in the mixing, carving, and the painting. Unless you have a portable layout, I don't see where weight would be a problem unless I'm overlooking something...comments? $26.25 $ 26. Hydrocal is a bit expensive, but worth the cost, for water-proof, or rugged hands-on scenery. I dont' think that is my approach. Example:  I had poured a tunnel portal using the dental plaster. "CLANK" was the sound, a high pitch clank. I would still use real ballast. Pick a smooth bowl. my photos. Another friend loves lightweight hydrocal. Cycling. It's the same stuff that is used to make casts for broken bones etc.and it works just fine. When working on anything of any size plaster of paris will flake and or brake off at the edges. But, Jeffrey, would that not make the plaster essentially impossible to paint? manage your account online and more! But in my honest opinion you cut down on the bubbles. Left it sitting on the edge of my work table. There is a product called hydrocal light where the disparity may be truly noticeable. USG Hydrocal White Gypsum Cement is designed for solid and hollow casting and is ideal for giftware and lamp base applications. I even took pics to see how much detail there was.. and how easy it was to pull Dental plaster out of the mold. Then apply one more coat of plaster.. followed by one big patch of plaster cloth to the mold.. for added strength. Peter. USG No. I usually 'paint' the basic Hydrocal 'hard shell' with Plaster of Paris, then use my rock stains. Ceramical Gypsum Cement with 6500psi compressions trength. Then I apply small cloth strips over the 'high' area's of the mold. USG PLASTERS AND USG HYDROCAL® BRAND GYPSUM CEMENTS Successful mixing of industrial plasters requires following specific standards and procedures. Reading Company Technical & Historical Society http://www.readingrailroad.org/. I find I have no air bubbles.. and can apply a thicker coat afterwards. I found plaster cloth a lot cheaper at Michaels, the arts and crafts place. a rock and gravel company maybe? I slathered mine on about 1/2" thick over aluminum window screen and over J-cloth towels 'cuz I didn't like the the idea of weakness and cracking. Hydrocal … It is soft, even when cured and is not very strong. I suppose this would be determined by the size of the dry grains. Ultracal, Plaster of Paris and the dozens of other plasters and gypsum cements all have their advantages and disadvantages. Ballast - Most of the Woodland Scenics ballast appears to be crushed walnut shells(or something close). When you stain things like hydrocal walls tunnel portals etc. Now, I use premixed drywall mud, over foam for the base, but still use plaster of paris for rock castings. I am not 'bashing' Woodland Scenics, but there are other sources for these scenic items. Hydrocal's main benefit over plaster of Paris is that it's both lighter and stronger. You can use various object to obtain many different rock faces.. to obtain.. a curve.. a gradual incline... or what ever. Here are some mixing tips for White Hydrocal. Plaster of Paris is 'softer', and can be carved. Micro Mark has a very attractively priced Hydrocal offering (compared with WS). Way stronger. I've painted over the shellac with acrylics and enamel paint. BUT.... (there's that but again), make sure it's the slower setting type. It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse. I have a couple … 138. Both work well. It costs me about Cdn$19/bag, and I am on my third already doing hardshell. I've also used Bragdon Foam with a Bragdon mold. USG White Hydrocal… I mix a little vinegar in it to retard the hardening and wet the dickens out of the hard-shell before applying it. USG also sells Hydrocal in 50-pound bags which should cost … 1 Moulding Plaster (often referred to as Plaster of Paris or Casting Plaster) is used to create waste molds or temporary patterns where surface hardness and strength are not crucial. Pouring a lifecast with Hydrocal Plaster. Something I learned real quick about painting plaster of paris. Sorry for the poor picture quality but the reddish color of Pa. Stone is not really well represented by my poor photography. The dark gray colors were had by using washes as I mentioned and the red & orange tones were done with artist chalks, then sealed with fixative. Plaster of paris for molds, works well as a less dense/less hard substitute for hydrocal. I tried some WS lite weight hydrocal, but it was no better than PofP and cost WAY more. it seems I go to the hobby shop...buy a crap load of stuff...and in about 2 hours im out of supplies! Some LHS's carry these lines, others you have to mail order from. Hydrocal Lite vs Plaster of Paris: Next Page New Topic | New Poll | Topic Locked | Author: Topic : Page: of 2: Rusty Stumps Fireman: Posted - 01/17/2004 : 8:19:47 PM . What has taken place.. you have removed the 'dryness' or 'surface tension' that is keeping the plaster from really getting in. Share with: Link: Copy link. Casting Hydrocal White into a plaster mold using fiberglass mat I have used both and I color my rock castings with diluted acrylics. Extreme heat is used to leach the water from the gypsum and create a fine powder that, when mixed with water, produces a cement-like material. End result is less air bubbles. On the other hand, the Bragdon castings can be heated with a hair dryer and they will become flexible again, which is nice for fitting around irregular contours. I know this.. and the numbers and prices..  $15.. $18 and $25. I have poured large faces of rocks.. using less and less dental plaster. Seal it first. Think about the casting.. its clean with no 'Pam' or whatever on it.. keeping you from painting it correctly. When the dry plaster powder is mixed with water, it rehydrates over time into gypsum. This helps slow down the absorption process. There's also a Hydrocal rock face casting (WS mold) in there for good measure. Mabye in more humid climates though. Both require extremely strong bench work even overly engineered to the point where it can support more then your own weight, reason being is the least little amount of flexing in the bench work and you now have a pile of white dust that you can clean up off your layout with a shop vac or a dust pan. This allows for much better detail carving. I buy somebody else's Hydrocal in a big jar. What is the difference with Plaste of paris? again about $4 for a bag of woodland scenics ballast... what about just some dirt from outside? However I've heard comments that it is to heavy. It might add up over many castings applied to a significant layout, but I'd bet it doesn't add up to more than maybe five or six pounds once it is dry and in place on most layouts. Then really dry it. Puritan Pottery Plaster with 2400psi Compression Strength . Mister Beasley... "Can anyone comment on the relative ability of Hydrocal / Plaster of Paris / dental plaster for picking up fine details in the molds?" 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